tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post111807739956323598..comments2023-11-02T19:19:15.129+05:30Comments on Death Ends Fun: No more red flagDilip D'Souzahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08221707482541503243noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-1118761530178371322005-06-14T20:35:00.000+05:302005-06-14T20:35:00.000+05:30I guess he hasn't come to terms with the fact that...I guess he hasn't come to terms with the fact that they did not win in the last elections.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-1118240169651966632005-06-08T19:46:00.000+05:302005-06-08T19:46:00.000+05:30Sigh...there are times when one envys the 'other p...Sigh...there are times when one envys the 'other parivar', i.e., Gandhi one. <BR/><BR/>You speak out, dang...the axe falls on you. Latest casualty: Dutt parivar.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-1118211927631894742005-06-08T11:55:00.000+05:302005-06-08T11:55:00.000+05:30r: I never know what to make of Advani. This time ...r: I never know what to make of Advani. This time as well. <BR/><BR/>Sanketh, while "Freedom at Midnight" is a fine read, you shouldn't treat it as history. By the way, as another aside, mention of this book reminds me of the time in Austin when I attended a seminar on Kashmir where a Kashmiri on stage spent his time trashing India in every possible way (well, Pakistan too, and in fact more severely). Then he suddenly said, "you don't have to take my word for all these things I'm saying. You can read about it all in that book by two famous French historians -- 'Freedom at Midnight' by Dominique and Lapierre." (I swear this actually happened).<BR/><BR/>Suhail, I couldn't agree more with you. This "Saddest day of my life" is just so much BS -- after all this very man went on that rot yatra and whipped up passions, all that. This is why I say, I can never tell what Advani is up to, including now. And I couldn't care less whether Jinnah is secular or not. The "thanks" was solely for this: my hope that these comments allow us to look at Jinnah, and Partition, a little more dispassionately than we have managed. <BR/><BR/>Though I must say I am also thankful to LKA for the uproar he's caused in his famous Parivar.Dilip D'Souzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221707482541503243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-1118211015120259102005-06-08T11:40:00.000+05:302005-06-08T11:40:00.000+05:30Dilip, nice wishful thinking I say..but I don't be...Dilip, nice wishful thinking I say..but I don't believe in any of this "change of heart" crap. If 6th Dec was the saddest day of his life..then let him answer to the nation, why were they distributing sweets, and who was exchanging the congratulatory messages ? why did we see all of em in a jubiliant mood in the days to follow even as thousands were brutally murdered in riots, and why didn't he expressed his 'outrage' then ? Unless we get these explanations, everything else is bloody convenience politics. And we all know there is no such explanation, because history has recorded for posteirity all the black deeds. So pls hold on your thank you note. It's worth much more than to be wasted on Advani.<BR/>Read this <A HREF="http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/jun/06inter1.htm/" REL="nofollow">interview on rediff</A> where after being prodded, he says "Yes, I trust Musharraf (completely)". Now, wait till he comes back and whines "misquoted".<BR/><BR/>As for realising that whatever shit happened during partition and it's time to move on - I am all for it. Irrespective of whether Jinnah was secular or not.Suhailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07003909838593766176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-1118128853012577742005-06-07T12:50:00.000+05:302005-06-07T12:50:00.000+05:30May be not restricting your understanding to 'blac...May be not restricting your understanding to 'black and white' might help :))<BR/><BR/>Grow up mate!!...accusing a politician of playing politics is just funny, not whatever you want it to be.Niluhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03889024460833219672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-1118115570238191242005-06-07T09:09:00.000+05:302005-06-07T09:09:00.000+05:30This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Nananahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05339118051344099877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-1118102125358954682005-06-07T05:25:00.000+05:302005-06-07T05:25:00.000+05:30Some books that I have personally found useful to ...Some books that I have personally found useful to understand the complexities of Partition - <BR/>- Borders and Boundaries: Women in India's Partition (Ritu Menon & Kamla Bhasin)<BR/>- The Other Side of Silence: Voices from the Partition of India (Urvashi Butalia)<BR/>- Sadat Hasan Manto's writings (Toba Tek Singh)<BR/>- India Partitioned (Mushirul Hasan)<BR/>and many more here:<BR/>http://www.sacw.net/partition/index.html<BR/><BR/>- Aswin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-1118097410913448542005-06-07T04:06:00.000+05:302005-06-07T04:06:00.000+05:30I don't really know about you but I wouldn't jump ...I don't really know about you but I wouldn't jump the gun on this Advani thing. I am not sure he is back from his sojourn yet. I expect loads of pressure on the dude and an eventual retractment or at least a "clarification" when he gets back. <BR/><BR/>It is my opinion that every country has its demons. You can't really help it coz all you are ever told is there were 2 people to blame for partition and one of them was Jinnah. I don't really know if "relabeling" him secular or otherwise is of any consequence. Shit happened 60 odd years ago and there is little we can do about it. Was partition the right thing to do? You can never really tell can you? <BR/><BR/>On another note, something that surprises me is the lack of interest in general about our history. Especially with the freedom movement . "Freedom at Midnight" is the one book I base most of my info about partition on. Maybe this book you recommend would be a good read.The Tobacconisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10912183908493366214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-1118090987318774692005-06-07T02:19:00.000+05:302005-06-07T02:19:00.000+05:30These days even Nazi party members can get voted a...These days even Nazi party members can get voted as Pope so what's the big deal acknowledging Jinnah as secular.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-1118078566392602962005-06-06T22:52:00.000+05:302005-06-06T22:52:00.000+05:30I am not a big follower of politics or politicians...I am not a big follower of politics or politicians but I find this move by Advani very interesting, could it be because the concience of the nation dictated such a move? Since this is an absolute U-turn in his policy. I would like to think that this was so. Hopefully this concience would also dictate the current government to run without the corruption of the past.<BR/><BR/>Vox Populi is very nice when its heard, even if it isn't quite yet Vox Dei (in most respects apart from election times).<BR/><BR/>Nice Post!R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13751281571821760855noreply@blogger.com