tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post3244749671038964003..comments2023-11-02T19:19:15.129+05:30Comments on Death Ends Fun: RareDilip D'Souzahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08221707482541503243noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-16791779238505918482009-08-24T20:22:36.780+05:302009-08-24T20:22:36.780+05:30Well, I'm not a) intending to offend Sikhs or ...Well, I'm not a) intending to offend Sikhs or b)thinking only of Sikhs. I'm looking at the larger picture of India, the region and the world. The killings in Nov 1984 were bad, but they are not part of an ideology of *perpetual* relentless mass murder, with the intention of setting up either a pure religious state or a state consisting only of one group. Al Qaeda, the Taliban and the Lashkar are of an order of magnitude much, much higher. And I needn't add that, contrary to what D'Souza is implying, there is littel or no connection between communal violence in India, and massive terrorist attacks like Mumbai. That's a crock.Chandru Knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-44666363114826983992009-08-24T19:41:26.344+05:302009-08-24T19:41:26.344+05:30your quotes --
"quite bad, but qualitativel...your quotes -- <br /><br />"quite bad, but qualitatively (and potentially quantitatively) not the equivalent" ... "didn't like them" ... "would hijack" ... (etc)<br /><br />ur saying 3000 massacre is 'quite bad'?? it is 'potentially'?? they 'would' do something?? <br /><br />sir, in 1984 the terrorists *accomplished* the murders of 3000 human beings who wore turbans like myself. it is not the case of 'would', 'potential' or other of your hyperthesis. it is actually real recorded history.<br /><br />but you are looking other terrorism attacks and saying it is 'not the equivalent' of this massacres?? <br /><br />15 times more killed in nov 1984 than in nov 26/11, but it is 'not the equivalent', ie you say it is less serious?? how?<br /><br />please understand that your this suggestions, i have already said in my last comment, is very offensive to Sikhs like myself.Gurpreetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-76213577856571546222009-08-17T23:12:09.835+05:302009-08-17T23:12:09.835+05:30"ask this question - how many did the terrori..."ask this question - how many did the terrorists kill?<br /><br />no need for hyperthesis about nukes.<br /><br />answer: 26/11 terrorists, nearly 200.<br /><br />1984 terrorists, nearly 3000."<br /><br /> Again, quite bad, but qualitatively (and potentially quantitatively) not the equivalent of the terror of the Lashkar Toiba, Al Qaeda and the Jash-E-Mohammed. <br /><br /> The latter group would hijack a plane and crash it into a nuclear reactor, go on suicide mission to kill 5000+ people, impose brutal, medieval laws on a whole region, and sabotage democracy. You couldn't vote them out if you didn't like them.Chandru Knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-25658973139331069052009-08-17T18:49:36.342+05:302009-08-17T18:49:36.342+05:30Gurpreet, I hear you. What else can I say.Gurpreet, I hear you. What else can I say.Dilip D'Souzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221707482541503243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-71551679124833265742009-08-15T15:43:11.442+05:302009-08-15T15:43:11.442+05:30The key challenge is to build a secular framework ...The key challenge is to build a secular framework minus the above social ills.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-44396537185598902992009-08-15T15:41:58.979+05:302009-08-15T15:41:58.979+05:30The wolves like Dilip and bleeding heart liberals ...The wolves like Dilip and bleeding heart liberals willnot be satisfies until our ancient civilization is destroyed and replaced it with what - sex, drugs, booze, accidental pregnancies ,more rape and murder.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-83066407313207167122009-08-15T15:36:21.745+05:302009-08-15T15:36:21.745+05:30All Dilip wants is that the 'people of the boo...All Dilip wants is that the 'people of the book' to conquer India and conduct another Goa Inquisition on a massive scale.<br /><br />Setting aside Dilip, do the rest of the people on this blog want a Goa type Inquisition.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-31691260846913891102009-08-15T12:07:24.974+05:302009-08-15T12:07:24.974+05:30do we have to worry about dirty nuclear bombs or n...<i>do we have to worry about dirty nuclear bombs or nuclear terrorism</i>... [etc]<br /><br />ask this question - how many did the terrorists kill?<br /><br />no need for hyperthesis about nukes. <br /><br />answer: 26/11 terrorists, nearly 200.<br /><br />1984 terrorists, nearly 3000. <br /><br />factor of 15.<br /><br />yet people will put quotes around "terrorists" for 1984, and also pretedn it is not as serious as the 26/11. they dont even try to understand how offensive and hurtful that is to Sikhs.Gurpreetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-57619742679170106092009-08-15T11:36:35.073+05:302009-08-15T11:36:35.073+05:30To those like Mr. D'Souza, who are quick to eq...To those like Mr. D'Souza, who are quick to equate terrorists who hijack boats and then land on Indian shores to massacre people, with the "terrorists" who killed 3,000 people in Nov/1984, and "terrorists" who killed another 1,000 or so in Gujarat in 2002, ask this additional question: From the latter group, do we have to worry about dirty nuclear bombs or nuclear terrorism or bombing of installations that could cause a massive calamity? Because from the former group, we positively have to. When phrased this way, the whole equal-equal syndrome looks ludicrous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-62613508501762279602009-08-14T17:46:05.206+05:302009-08-14T17:46:05.206+05:30"but terrorists of '84 actually killed 30..."but terrorists of '84 actually killed 3000 people (not "were planning to kill" but "killed") without being killed."<br /><br /> Yes, but the point is, bad as those things are, they are acute flare-ups of violence in a very localised, restricted environment. <br /><br /> They are not part of any ideology of mass murder, imposition of religion and destabilisation of the Indian economy. Reactive violence is different from ideological.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-5030123009873837942009-08-13T13:10:11.460+05:302009-08-13T13:10:11.460+05:30> terrorists were planning to kill as many as 5...> terrorists were planning to kill as many as 5000 people before being killed.<br /><br />maybe. <br /><br />but terrorists of '84 actually killed 3000 people (not "were planning to kill" but "killed") without being killed.<br /><br />same with others listed.<br /><br />do you shuder?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-680724727033660522009-08-11T21:02:00.040+05:302009-08-11T21:02:00.040+05:30Very clever or very negligent to mention that &quo...Very clever or very negligent to mention that "many more" were killed in the various riots mentioned by D'Souza( including in the mock reply to self).<br /><br /> The only reason "many more" were killed in those incidents( Gujarat 2002, Mumbai 1993) was that the Indian security forces foiled large numbers of terrorist plots. A few months ago, an Indian officer remarked that 400 terror modules were busted through the length and breadth of India. If even a tenth of those had been successful, many, many more may have been killed. One shudders to think of the numbers if ALL were 'successful'. Even the Mumbai massacres of Nov/2008 is not a good arguing point. The terrorists were planning to kill as many as 5000 people before being killed. The action of the security forces prevented such a carnage.Chandru Knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-5616758159262273502009-08-11T15:01:08.215+05:302009-08-11T15:01:08.215+05:30Congress style secularism is tuned towards elector...Congress style secularism is tuned towards electoral considerations. Real secularism can be achieved by Uniform Civil Code which ironically is being pushed FOR by 'communal' BJP.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-8890158921600897342009-08-11T14:56:57.806+05:302009-08-11T14:56:57.806+05:30Look at the state of Muslims in India. Here is one...Look at the state of Muslims in India. Here is one example where they have refused to reform themselves http://thehindu.com/2009/08/08/stories/2009080862501400.htm. <br /><br />It is this stubborness and the tendency to accept diktats from Saudi , Al Azhar clerics that I'm against.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-79326164271824617222009-08-10T16:16:28.870+05:302009-08-10T16:16:28.870+05:30Oh shut up Dilip....you now have the self appoint...Oh shut up Dilip....you now have the self appointed high priests of secularism firmly in saddle in Delhi...BJP has been consigned to the dustbin. Isn't that good enough for youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com