tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post4660480027945979880..comments2023-11-02T19:19:15.129+05:30Comments on Death Ends Fun: Close ranksDilip D'Souzahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08221707482541503243noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-59574808876754649302007-10-22T22:42:00.000+05:302007-10-22T22:42:00.000+05:30Well, defending the indefensible will only lead to...Well, defending the indefensible will only lead to more fingers being pointed at the darker aspects of our society, of which there is no shortage. In that sense, Messers Niranjan Shah and co. may actually have done a service :-)<BR/><BR/>On a serious note, no West Indian team of the past - the primarily "black" team - has made such accusations. I don't remember them being subjected to monkey chants. I wonder if the chants have been picked by our local loonies by watching telecasts of European football matches. From what I understand, such chants are well-known in Italian and Spanish leagues prompting FIFA to take punitive actions against some clubs. Way to go, guys: pick up the least desirable aspects of European/American "culture." <BR/><BR/>I shudder to think what is in store when the Windies or even the Sri Lankans come calling. Now that monkey chants have made news, we can depend upon a few idiots everywhere in India to take this up. Perhaps its best to call off tours - or as a punitive measure, play in front of empty stadiums (as in football) and have BCcI pick up the tab - unless our crowds demonstrate that they can behave and take defeat gracefully.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-2805776084696863362007-10-19T10:46:00.000+05:302007-10-19T10:46:00.000+05:30VM, they said that to Kambli? Makes my flesh crawl...VM, they said that to Kambli? Makes my flesh crawl. <BR/><BR/>As I've tried to indicate, though, I'm not particularly concerned about various other issues, such as the gamesmanship on the part of the Aussies. I'm amazed and nauseated that we are trying to pretend this stuff never happened, now even after the photograph is everywhere.Dilip D'Souzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221707482541503243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-19704410940217637692007-10-19T10:38:00.000+05:302007-10-19T10:38:00.000+05:30Monkeys arent black we dont make fun of blacks.......Monkeys arent black we dont make fun of blacks....<BR/><BR/>coming from ppl who readily found racism in a macaca statement while also calling blacks "kallu" etc in a very negative sense, this is hypocrisy at its zenith.<BR/><BR/>One odd twist in our discussions here on NRN Murthy and the National Anthem was whether such courtesies as created that flap would have been extended to a delegation from Dakar.<BR/><BR/>regards,<BR/>JaiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-78549248739231353542007-10-19T09:43:00.000+05:302007-10-19T09:43:00.000+05:30Ten years ago (roughly) I remember sitting in the ...Ten years ago (roughly) I remember sitting in the cheapest seats at Wankhede, bemused at the entire stands yelling at Kambli, who was posted in the field just below.<BR/><BR/>'Sabse Gora Ladka Kaun?' 'Kambli! Kambli!'<BR/><BR/>If we do it to our own, where's the percentage in denying that it happens with foreign players.<BR/><BR/>Having said that, Dilip, there's no doubt that there's a considerable amount of gamesmanship going on with the Aussie reaction...VMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03706976219051383707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-557060882480712722007-10-18T23:27:00.000+05:302007-10-18T23:27:00.000+05:30Sridhar, you're right, and I have no argument ther...Sridhar, you're right, and I have no argument there. My point in this post is to wonder why we would close ranks and <I>deny</I> that these things happened. We acknowledge (and complain) that they happen elsewhere. Why do we have a problem acknowledging that it happens here?Dilip D'Souzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221707482541503243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070362.post-63612547487413897662007-10-18T22:57:00.000+05:302007-10-18T22:57:00.000+05:30Hi Dilip:At the risk of being one of those who are...Hi Dilip:<BR/>At the risk of being one of those who are supporting freaks just because they happen to be Indians, I beg to differ.<BR/>When I see that photograph (how can anyone miss it !) I feel intense nausea. What kind of freak gets joy out of such acts !<BR/>Having said that, I believe everyone has a right to self-expression, however graceless that expression might be. If these jerks were trying to hit Symonds, they should have been sent to jail. If I am going to penalized just for calling someone a monkey (or for imitating a monkey in public) I believe there is a problem. As for Symonds himself, it is tough. It really really is disgusting. But, hey, that's life. You meet nice people...and then you meet jerks...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com